Scraping the barrel

The Western Morning News are running a story on how a Wiltshire MP has told hunting fans to “get into the real world”. Dan Norris, the Defra minister, based his comments on recent polling figures by Ipsos-MORI which show an increase in support for the ban on hunting.

The Countryside Alliance’s press officer, Tim Bonner, is quoted in the paper as saying that Mr Morris is only a minister “because Gordon Brown had “scraped the bottom of the barrel”.”

It’s really quite telling that this is the best the Alliance can offer in response. They know that public opinion is very firmly fixed against them, and in desperation they are sinking to personal attacks to justify their sick pastime. Plus ca change!

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  1. 1

    lindammadnil said,

    Actually they did make quite a few other points. Lets have a proper debate on the article not just take individual sentences out of context.

  2. 2

    But they didn’t make any new points. They just repeated old arguments about the Burns Inquiry – “he didn’t say it was cruel” (no, but he didn’t say it wasn’t cruel either) – and their substantive point was a personal attack!

    Pathetic.

  3. 3

    lindammadnil said,

    I have been following you on twitter re the controversy with Bradshaw.

    Why did you delete all your tweets to him? You were arranging with him to come and monitor him flushing and chasing deer and he was going to give you a signed statement that he was intentionally breaking the Hunting Act.

    Then all your tweets just dissapeared.

    Have you decided that you will just let Bradshaw carry on breaking the hunting act and not do anything to get him bought to book.

    Maybe you agree with his point that the law should not allow flushing out only if the flushed put animals are then shot dead?

  4. 4

    We removed them because we decided not to get into debate with him. He makes silly points about law breaking and we could waste hours of our campaigning time in debate with him.

    We weren’t arranging to meet and monitor him; we were simply playing him at his own game and calling his bluff. He claimed to have evidence of support for his preposterous position from the RSPCA. When we asked him for that he simply ignored us and changed the subject.

  5. 5

    lindammadnil said,

    So you are going to allow him to continue to flush deer then? Surely the Hunting Act needs to be enforced fully

    One of your exchanges that is being circulated is this one:

    GilesBradshaw

    @LeagueACS so for the record do you support deliberately flushed out
    deer having to be shot dead?5 minutes ago from web

    LeagueACS

    @GilesBradshaw No. You shouldn’t be flushing them out. Full stop. Have
    you sent the email yet?4 minutes ago from web in reply to GilesBradshaw

    Is it true that you do not support the law defining flushing out of cover as an exempt form of hunting that is only allowed if the flushed out animals are shot?

  6. 6

    lindammadnil said,

    I am a journalist by the way

    So you are going to allow him to continue to flush deer then? Surely the Hunting Act needs to be enforced fully

    One of your exchanges that is being circulated is this one:

    GilesBradshaw

    @LeagueACS so for the record do you support deliberately flushed out
    deer having to be shot dead?5 minutes ago from web

    LeagueACS

    @GilesBradshaw No. You shouldn’t be flushing them out. Full stop. Have
    you sent the email yet?4 minutes ago from web in reply to GilesBradshaw

    Is it true that you do not support the law defining flushing out of cover as an exempt form of hunting that is only allowed if the flushed out animals are shot?

    • 7

      Our position is quite simple. The Hunting Act banned the hunting of foxes, deer, mink and hares for sport. It allows pest control, and where pest control is deemed necessary we ask that it is carried out by a trained marksman with the right equipment. If it’s not pest control, then it shouldn’t be happening.

      • 8

        lindammadnil said,

        So are you saying that if someone just wishes to disperse wild mammals with dogs as an alternative to killing them then this should be illegal unless they kill the fleeing animals with a trained marksman?

      • 9

        lindammadnil said,

        Ie if someone is merely taking out dogs and flushing out and chasing wild mammals with them should this only be legal if he kills the animals after they are flushed out and before they are chased?

  7. 10

    lindammadnil said,

    I am working to build up a systematic expose on the League and how they manipulate arguments and censor debates – including there own comments.


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