Bloody havoc in Gloucestershire

Our Hunt Crimewatch service has been contacted today by a distraught lady who suffered the most horrific experience at the hands of hunters yesterday. Here is the lady’s email:

We live in the country surrounded by fields and often see horse and hounds riding past. Despite all our protests the hounds always come onto our land. Today at lunchtime we heard the sound of dogs and went out to see a horrendous sight. There were a pack of some 10-15 beagles that had caught a small deer on our land. They were ripping it to pieces in front of us. The scene of a struggling deer and a pack of dogs is one i never want to see again – all we could do was take pictures as a record.

After 5 mins we heard the sound of a horn and the dogs responded and left the deer still just alive – it thankfully died a few mins later as we have no gun and no way of putting it out of its misery. The huntsman finally appeared in the next field and we remonstrated with him. He said -of course it shouldn’t happen, it had never happened before – they were on foot after rabbits.

The incident has been reported to Gloucestershire Police, and we have an incident number. Here are the photographs she sent to us.

Another ‘accident’, or another example of hunters shamelessly sticking two fingers up at the law and the decent majority? You decide.

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20 Responses so far »

  1. 1

    gilesbradshaw said,

    How awful, but isn’t the law a little barmy? Here we have a deer killed by a pack of hounds and no crime is committed whereas my dogs don’t kill deer and I am guilty unless I shoot it.

    That just doesn’t make sense.

    As for accidents I don;t think it would be right to make them illegal. Far more animals are killed with far more pain on the roads than accidentally by hunts.

  2. 2

    auntykill said,

    It’s always “an accident” isn’t it? And what I’d like to know is this, if that pack of hounds responded to the horn after 5 minutes WHY were they not brought to order sooner, if they are supposedly well enough trained to respond so quickly how can the claim be made that it was an accident? Someone knew exactly what was going on at all times, and if they didn’t then they are unfit to be in charge of a pack of dangerous animals. It seems to me that the person in charge was enjoying what was happening and only called the hounds away when he realised that evidence was being gathered.
    It is totally sickening, who on earth would gain any satisfaction from allowing this to happen, who would even admit to wanting this to happen? HOW do they sleep at night. God bless that poor savaged animal and God help the monsters who allowed it to happen

  3. 3

    mhayworth said,

    If they are out with hounds that are trained to kill and are not muzzled, there can only be one outcome. What kind of people woke up this morning and thought this would be a productive activity?

    We keep asking ourselves what type of people tortured those two little boys or let those attack dogs out on city streets and you don’t have to look much further to see where their role models come from. Enjoying a kill is the same emotion whether you dress it up or not. David Cameron and his friends have a lot to answer for!

  4. 4

    gilesbradshaw said,

    Maybe mHayworth but what you don;t seem to understand is that that makes not one iota of difference to whether the Hunting act is broken.

    Ask Defra they are perfectly clear no crime is broken if the dog is hunting it has to be a person hunting with a dog.

    Why are you so bothered about one or two accidents with hounds when we have hundreds of thousands of accidents on the roads both domestic pets and wild animals?

  5. 6

    jken09 said,

    This is absolutely horrendous!

    This can in no way be dismissed as an accident, it is negligence of the worst kind leading the the suffering and death of a helpless creature.

    Atrocities such as this need to be published as widely as possible to make the general public aware of the true horror of the hunt. If the ban is repealed more and more of these incidents will take place and the perpetrators will still claim they are accidents.

    I have no doubt the death of this poor animal just added “fun” to the hunters’ day. Shame on all involved.

  6. 7

    auntykill said,

    Quote: “Ask Defra they are perfectly clear no crime is broken if the dog is hunting it has to be a person hunting with a dog.”
    No crime is broken? What sort of argument is this? It doesn’t even make sense! Is this the pro hunt education level?

    Quote: “Why are you so bothered about one or two accidents with hounds when we have hundreds of thousands of accidents on the roads both domestic pets and wild animals?”
    Because this wasn’t an accident it is deliberate blood thirsty cruelty, and the big snivelling cowards blame it all on the dogs. By the way, if a member of public had an out of control pack of dogs causing the death of wild or domestic animals they would be prosecuted and the dogs confiscated so what gives these killers the right to roam with dangerous animals out of control in the name of “sport”? How do we know that had they happened on a small child or a domestic pet the same wouldn’t have happened?

  7. 8

    mhayworth said,

    Giles,
    These incidents happen every day and can not be compared to what happens on our roads.

    If these people can control their dogs, this is clearly not an accident. If they can’t, they shouldn’t be out without the dogs being muzzled. The CA boasts that 50,000 (criminals) signed a declaration to say they would flout the law and carry on doing what they have always done. This is the result!

  8. 9

    gilesbradshaw said,

    ” By the way, if a member of public had an out of control pack of dogs causing the death of wild or domestic animals they would be prosecuted and the dogs confiscated”

    You are mightily confused Auntythrill – these are members of the public D’OH!

    “this wasn’t an accident it is deliberate blood thirsty cruelty” You have NO evidence whatsoever to back that up. This is a typical unsubstantiated accusation.

    “If these people can control their dogs, this is clearly not an accident.” Not really true. I can control my dogs I just don’t all the time. If I am out and about I just let them off the lead and to have a good old romp what’s wrong with that? And guess what they hunt a few animals. No crime is being committed.

    “These incidents happen every day and can not be compared to what happens on our roads.” Really? Why not? If people massively limited their speed then far far fewer lives would be lost. Not just animal lives but human lives too.

    How many deer do you think are accidentally killed by fpx hounds every year?

    For the record road deaths are estimated at one million wild animals and 2 milliion birds every year. there are an estimated 100 serious or fatal injuries to people due to deer collisions.

    • Foxes – 100K Estimated annual road fatalities
    • Deer – 50K Estimated annual road fatalities
    • Badgers – 50K Estimated annual road fatalities
    • Hedgehogs – 15K Estimated annual road fatalities

  9. 10

    gilesbradshaw said,

    This one’s pretty cool too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKa-axC5hX0

    ferretting rocks!

  10. 11

    gilesbradshaw said,

    and take a look at this : proper job! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfyRIctmoKM

  11. 12

    mhayworth said,

    Giles, the difference is ‘intent’. If you train dogs to kill animals and then let them loose without muzzling them, you should expect those animals to be killed. I don’t know of drivers who swerve to hit animals on the road.

  12. 13

    gilesbradshaw said,

    mhayworth, if you drive round country lanes it is highly likely you will kill animals bit if you don’t intend to then you will have committed no crime.

    There is no evidence that this deer was deliberately being hunted by people and the fact that it is claimed that they were on the basis of these photos just shows how the anti hunt lobby makes things up.

  13. 14

    mhayworth said,

    If you train dogs to kill deer and then let them loose unmuzzled in an area that deer inhabit, there is a reasonable expectation that they will kill a deer. Quite simple Giles.

  14. 15

    gilesbradshaw said,

    They aren’t staghounds mhayworth, they’ve not been trained to kill deer.

    In fact even staghounds aren’t trained to kill deer.

    This is typical of the fabrications of the anti hunt lobby. Why don’t you stick to the facts rather than making them up to suit? It would serve your cause much better.

    BTW my dogs aren’t trained to kill deer either so why am I guilty of breaking the hunting act because I refuse to kill the deer I flush?

    And why do you lecture about deer being killed when you SUPPORT it being a condition in the Hunting Act that they are?

    Garbage law.

  15. 16

    mhayworth said,

    Giles,
    Any reasonable person knows that dogs that are NOT trained to kill (regardless of whether it is foxes, deer, hare, mink, etc.), are not out there in packs attacking and killing deer. You can sew this up as many times as you like, but no one is being fooled. As I’ve said many times, 50,000 hunters signed a declaration to say they would flout the law and continue with traditional hunting. Are you the only one who didn’t believe them?

  16. 17

    thornicator said,

    I have the dubious honour of having worked as a groom, at a yard owned by a rich elderly couple. The wife’s father used to be master of the Cottesmore hunt and my colleague’s partner was a part time whipper in of the same hunt, so the ‘sport’ was very popular. In that area they just assume you are pro-hunt, so they were all very happy to boast about ‘accidentally’ coming across a fox and ‘accidentally’ letting the hounds have it- and I’m paraphrasing here- they never used the word accidentally. Make no mistake, it is rarely an accident, they were extremely disappointed on the days they caught nothing, and when they want to they have surprisingly good control of those dogs. But only when they want to….The Cottesmore even have a bird of prey they like to get out at the meet, in the belief she provides their loop-hole to legal killing (the master shouts about how it will be a ‘legal hunt’ before they set off, just in case anyone else is listening) though once the hunt commences she goes straight back in a cage in the back of a landrover.

    This deer shouldn’t have been killed whether accident or otherwise, but it happened on private land which the hunt had not been permited to enter- I’m not sure that is legal either.

  17. 18

    gilesbradshaw said,

    My dogs hunt deer mhayworth I can’t say i have ever trained them to do it.

    I’m not sure how 50,000 people could break the hunting act. It doesn’t apply to the followers just to the people in control of the dogs.

    I think you will find that those people signed the declaration because they thought the Government was going to ban hunting which it didn’t.

    I’ve got a few weeks at home now I am going to be hunting and chasing deer with my dogs on a regular basis. Do you object to that?

  18. 19

    gilesbradshaw said,

    My dogs hunt deer mhayworth I can’t say i have ever trained them to do it.

    I’m not sure how 50,000 people could break the hunting act. It doesn’t apply to the followers just to the people in control of the dogs.

    I think you will find that those people signed the declaration because they thought the Government was going to ban hunting which it didn’t.

    I’ve got a few weeks at home now I am going to be hunting and chasing deer with my dogs on a regular basis. Do you object to that?

  19. 20

    mhayworth said,

    Thornicator,
    Great to hear such honesty. We would love to have more details for our website, if you would be willing to talk to us. You can contact me through the site any time at: http://www.campaignfordecency.org.uk

    The story that sums up the cruelty of the hunt for me is this one: http://www.huntinginquiry.gov.uk/evidence/pellow.htm

    It is the side that many hunters never see but I suspect they know it deep down in their hearts just as this huntsman did.


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